May 24, 2010
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全球禱告日/普通襲擊/刑毀
昨天想知道多一點關於大球場發生的事，但晚上在有線和無線新聞都看不到有關的報導。這也難怪，在電視台眼中，那大概只是兩種不同的意識形態的基督徒的「糾紛」。搜尋了一輪，只在東方日報的網站找到現場的錄影片段，整個過程，大家可以看完再作判斷[連結]。
不過，有記者被基督教活動的工作人員打(抓?)傷，那則不只是信徒糾紛了。如果擲豆腐會構成普通襲擊而落案起訴，那麼把採訪的記者抓傷至流血，怎可能如警察所講是私人糾紛便算？在場祈禱的律政司司長黃仁龍弟兄和保安局局長李少光弟兄會怎樣理解這事？
踩場的做法我是有保留的，在場以口號騷擾活動我也不太贊同的，因為那對於在場的信眾，恐怕只會造成更強烈的同仇敵愾效果，把他們推向光譜的另一方。
可是，工作人員沒收和毀壞抗議者的橫額，這個我更加不敢苟同。那些橫額是私人財產，不是攻擊性物品，也不會構成危險，根據民事、刑事法律，一個普通工作人員是沒有權沒收甚至毀壞的。工作人員這樣做，是涉嫌刑事毀壞。當然，警察也視而不見。
傷人和刑毀的錯誤，已上了各大港聞版，內容和諧了的祈禱會和相應的抗議行動都未必是壞見證，但打人和刑毀就肯定是壞透的見證。雖說抗議行動可能挑起了他們的情緒，但不代表工作人員可以這樣侵犯他人身體和財物。
對於不認同的信仰活動，不論是教義還是意識形態有分歧，人們也很少踩場，即使是異端教會，我們也不會在人家門口反宣傳。畢竟那既不能造就裡面的人，更難以造就外面的人。不過，人們可以辯論，可以呼籲其他人注意問題所在，而最有效的，是讓大家自行判斷，用腳投票。
今天早上看到一位唸神學的前輩的FB status引用了約翰福音這一段，我想是值得襲擊記者和毀壞橫額的工作人員好好思考的：
耶穌說了這話，旁邊站著的一個警衛打了他一耳光，說：「你這樣回答大祭司嗎？」耶穌回答：「假如我說的不對，你指證不對的地方；假如我說的對，你為甚麼打我呢？」(約翰福音18:22-23，和合本修訂版)
延伸閱讀:
「全球禱告日」約萬人出席 回歸基督精神同盟場外另辦祈禱會 (時代論壇報導- 2010年5月24日）
登記後採訪被阻 3記者受傷報警 (明報 2010年5月24日)
Comments (26)
有在場人士表示，佢哋一開始只係舉起標語同示威物品，連口號都無嗌，但工作人員就即刻想搶去佢哋嘅嘢。
不知那幾位工作人員是那一個宗派的？浸X會?
全球禱告日, 賤格基督徒, 阻採訪, 打記者。 That is probably reflected that their god is 賤格. It is a corrupted religious cult, of course you have 基督徒打人。
I think it is good to have more 示威人士, it would only bring out the true face of christians, most of them are 賤人。 These 賤格基督徒 could not really fake it anymore.
@XOX - that's not fair to all christians. we have murderers/criminals/dictators who were christians, but we can't say that god is evil because of them.
@Kursk - Surely you have seen the majority of christians are that bad. I wouldn't judge the few who are not as corrupted and called it norm. It is a bad religion, and it created bad religious followers. If the christian god is true, would this happen? Christains have been bad all over the world, the local christians are just following this really horrible trend.
Like I said, good people would do good things, bad people would do bad things. To make good people to do bad thing, that take religion, and in this case, bad christianity.
馬太 6章
耶穌說:
5 你們禱告的時候，不可像那假冒為善的人，愛站在會堂裡和十字路口上禱告，故意叫人看見。我實在告訴你們，他們已經得了他們的賞賜 。
6 你禱告的時候，要進你的內屋，關上門，禱告你在暗中的父；你父在暗中察看，必然報答你。
7 你們禱告，不可像外邦人，用許多重複話，他們以為話多了必蒙垂聽。
同意你的看法。
我個人覺得最心傷的是﹐踩場的基督徒﹐似乎忘記了大球場內舉行的是一場崇拜。
至於義工的反應﹐什麼才是合宜﹐我很難定斷。沒有經驗底下﹐有如斯反應也難怪。
但如果問這次是哪一方先出問題﹐我細心考慮之下﹐還是認為是踩場的弟兄姊妹值得反省。其實﹐在場外發聲其實已經很足夠。
人有發聲的權利﹐但當來到神的面前﹐一刻的虛己﹑把權柄交上其實也相當重要。
建議大家如果相信的﹐都把這個這個當作一個操練。願意禱告的﹐總會看見曙光。
@XOX - 你好像搞不清楚什麼是基督教
@bigarnex - 那些所謂去"踩場"的，也是去禱告:P
神在看。
@bigbrother1984 - 一個宗教聚會﹐是有領導﹑有程序的。如果不是用一個合一的心來到神的面前﹐其實就沒有需要在同一個地方禱告了。要是決定參與同一個聚會(不是集會)﹐求同存異的心固然要有。更重要的就是把衝突的部份暫時放開﹐因為祈禱的時候不是解決這些衝突的時候。神才不想看見我們帶著含恨的心去禱告。
@bigbrother1984 - I know what it is, it pretends to be good, but it is one of the most evil religion in the world. I think it is you who don't know much about christianity.
@bigbrother1984 - @bigarnex - The god of christianity is evil. That is why christains are so violent and nasty. What does it mean to pray to the nasty christian god?
At least try to understand from the point of view of outside of this nasty religion, christianity is evil and nasty and lack redeeming quality.
大家看《罗马书》吧!!
12：17 不要以恶报恶，众人以为美的事，要留心去作。
12：18 若行，总要尽力与众人和睦。
12：20 所以，你的仇敌若饿了，就给他吃。若渴了，就给他喝。因为陪这样行，就是把炭火堆在他的头上。
12：21 你不可为恶所胜，反要以善胜恶。
@tommyjonk - 大致明白﹐但當中第21節可能會在解讀上會出現分歧。你認為“惡”在這情況下指的是甚麼﹖
形事毀壞就一定ga la (完全唔見有lawful excuse, on the facts 無任何野有immediate need of protection at the time of the damage- s.64(2)(b) of the Crimes Ordinance)
仲有 如果有抓傷流血的話就不只是普通襲擊咁簡單啦而係malicious wounding了...
@bigarnex - 無所謂。他們認為是惡便是惡的了。
@jjchu - Agreed with you on both counts. But christians having such strong "backers" might get away with crimes and thought they are above the law. That is why so many places where the christains in the government, christians are the nasty and mean, and overall bad. If christians thought they could get away with it, they would act their worst.
@tommyjonk - 現在我們的仇敵腦滿腸肥。我們的目標就是要他們“餓”+“渴”，來向我們乞食。
要達到這個效果。要殺掉牠們至少三分之一，剩下的才會有可能“餓”/“渴”
@tommyjonk - 其他人好難講﹐但相信小弟的文字一向都唔算惡。XDDDDDD
其實個班人係披著基督徒的皮的共產黨奴隸就真 : [
成日都有偽教徒 ... (共產黨暴徒有乜做唔出 ? 個d膠行真係日日都有)
但係去個到示威的確係有d不智 ,
誤以為病入膏肓的還有救麼 ? (ok 呢個心態是不對的...但那對我來說比較像事實)
PS.恐怕 XOX 要麼是極端伊斯蘭/共產黨無神論者 : ] (語調近幾一樣)
PS.2 我明白我這心態大慨是不應該的 (所以嘛 ... 上過十數年教會也不敢說到底我是不是教徒)
@stupidxhk2000 - XOX不是。 我比較接近"極端伊斯蘭/共產黨無神論者"
如果他們沒有出現，又怎麼有這個機會給我們看到那些工作人員的真面目、主辦團體的狹縊？！
@euyak - 係，的確係咁。
被視為踩場的人，一開始便已被exclude了，被視為非我族類的。
怎樣介定誰是「踩場」的呢？那不是信仰的分野，是權力的分野。
@stupidxhk2000 - 其實個班人係披著基督徒的皮的共產黨奴隸就真 <-- Wrong. These are Christians. Don't blame it on communists. Communists, the real communists, are way better than christians jerks like these.
@XOX - Funny . For they act like fanatic moron more than a so called christians .
"real christians" in your tone if you would like to think so .
And I ' ve never seen a single "christian" act like such an uncivilizated savage before : ]
Though I ' ve seen so many in the name of "Mainlandize Communism" act just like the "christian" stated in the incident .
Moreover , when I mean communist above , I mean those in the PRC .
which is not a "real communist" and I wonder if you notice that .
Besides , in case you never figure that out ,
There wasn't and never will be a "real communist" in the name of human kind
The "real communism" system is never working on humans .
If you ever try to combine humanity and the "real communism" you should have known it doesn't work .
And right before you are going to blame any "would-be God" according to you ,
you better distinguish which act carried out by certain individuals was "god's will" and which was men's .
For there are tons of people who proclaim they did what they have done in certain "god's name" ,
and in fact they are using that "name" for their own interest/gain .
( and YES you know I mean those "Mainlandize Communists" are among them .)
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